Re: Request for troll (beginners') guide
Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:34 pm
Well lets avoid generalities because that quickly goes nowhere. I put out some numbers (either 12 DEX/13 WIL or 10 DEX/14 WIL) and you disagreed, so what numbers would you suggest? A troll's max WIL will only go up to 15 so are you saying you'd be willing to drop con from 22-->21 so that your willpower can go from 14-->15?Elestir wrote:I never said ditch CON completely and go only for STR and WIL. Keep reasonably high CON, but don't max CON at the price of having very low WIL. I agree on mobility being big issue for trolls, but I repeat CON is not the only stat that affects it, not by far. STR directly affects it through penalty for carrying eq, and also indirectly boosts this impact through wilderness skill (and that's where WIL plays its role as well).
Keep in mind this is a discussion about a newbie guide for trolls. Orcs are hard to communicate with on troll. You have to find a bn online that's nice enough to waste his time being the messenger, and an orcish shaman that's got nothing to do at the moment. Not impossible but from my experience playing troll orcs will not be your main source of draughts. You'll get most of them from the backpack at the bottom of brolg and killing brolg himself and looting his pouch. Do that once a session and you can stock up on 4-5 but they will never be bountiful unless you make it a huge priority.Elestir wrote:Getting draughts is as easy as catching orc player (preferably shaman) willing to mix them
Like I said before show me some example stats because in a way you're contradicting yourself here because we don't have endless points to pour into stats. You cite WIL as a huge priority for trolls but then where will you get the points to pump into dexterity? You'd have to drop CON down to 20 now just to get DEX back up to 12. I say good unarmed troll is 25 5 5 12 22 13 7, are you saying yours is 25 5 5 12 20 15 7?Elestir wrote:I will add that DEX affects max moves in slightly higher extent than CON too, but I agree it's still marginal (but it balances the loss from lower CON).
Yeah i probably should have elaborated. Playing a weapontroll allows you to reduce your strength without serious side-effects. You cant play an unarmed troll with 20 base STR but you can certainly play a weapons troll with 20 STR. Those extra points allow me to bump up dexterity and willpower without having to reduce CON. But yes bejewelled can help although that's not where I was going with that.Elestir wrote:Care to elaborate? How does having a weapon increase willpower? Do you mean the -10 save spell of bejewelled shield and the black buckler? You can wear these even as unarmed troll though (yet with some malus in damage afaik).
Your points all sound good but I don't think they're applicable when you get to the stat creation part and start having to make trade-offs, you can't have everything, so what will your numbers be?Elestir wrote:That's usually smart tactics, but sometimes the caster is well protected and then you will need DEX and WIL to effectively hit-flee before he lands his blinds and WIL to eventually save them.